One time Will joined in and started doing some of his scratchy guitar over it. “I did the bassline for it and Will hated it, but me and Pete had this connection, and we'd play it. "I remember coming up with Thorn Of Crowns ,” says Les. “The best way to get rid of a song you don't like," he laughs, "is to say that it sounds like U2." They'll play it, and it just keeps going round, letting everyone join in with ideas, and it just sort of grows. “People have stuff, and we go down to Mac's basement or the rehearsal rooms, and somebody'll say, 'I've got this thing'. "The songs are written all different ways,” says Sergeant. The Bunnymen's songs are co-writes: a team effort. They're like these really straight-looking dudes from America." Ever heard of them? They've got this brilliant track called Journey to The East (opens in new tab). People like Bill Plummer and the Cosmic Brotherhood. There's an Eastern feel to a lot of Sergeant's playing – the intro to The Cutter, the guitar lines in The Killing Moon… "That came from 60s psychedelic records,” he says. But there's a difference between doing that and going out to play something like White Light/White Heat and just changing it a bit to make it sound like something else.” "I'd play something and think, 'That sounds just like the Velvets!' I was chuffed. You might play something and think, 'Hey that sounds like George Harrison, I like that’. “Everybody's style is robbed from other people's, things that you like to sound like. The Bunnymen’s back catalogue is packed with great examples of Will's unique guitar style – was it something he consciously created, or something he developed naturally? "My style's just a bit of everything,” he says.
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Sometimes I need Mac and Les to point it out to me. And then he'll move on from that, and try and get clever, and it's crap. “But if he's got his bad head on – his attitude – he'll start coming up with stuff and it's fantastic.
If Will’s into something, he'll say 'I wanna play guitar like that', and he'll start playing it and it sounds nothing like what he's trying to get. "The thing is," says Pattinson, "me and Will are lazy. Like super fuzz explosions, y'know? Like a million bees in the back of a soddin' petrol tanker set on fire!" It looks great and mad sounds come out of it. I've got a Danelectro Fabtone, a 50s-style pedal. "A Rotovibe, that's another thing I'm using. Had to get brand new speakers for it cos I blew it up. I bought one in America, but it's American voltage, so I've left it there. I just liked the look of it, really, when I first got it. (Image credit: David Corio/Michael Ochs Archives/Getty Images) "It's a weird attitude to have, I suppose," says Will. They played it over and over for 15 minutes. Pattinson had never played any musical instrument before, they had a singer they'd never heard sing, and they only had one song: Monkeys (opens in new tab). "I never heard Mac sing until we did our first gig.
Then we rehearsed and Mac didn't even turn up." "I was winding them up about it so Will said, 'If you're so sure of yourself, why don't you go buy a bass and do it then?' So I bought a bass with three strings on it. "Will and Mac were supposed to be playing at Teardrop Explodes' first show, and their balls were really going," remembers Les Pattinson. Soon they were offered a support slot at Teardrop Explodes first gig. Having been told by Pete Wylie that Ian McCulloch could sing, Will approached him and invited Mac round to his house for a jam. All the dickheads got hold of it and made it all touristy." It's all very weird, 'cos that street, Matthew Street, has always been a part of what's going on in Liverpool. When the original Cavern got knocked down, they moved it over there. It was just a small shitty in-the-basement kinda vibe.
"The Pistols, Television, Suicide, Iggy Pop, the Slits – they all played there. "Going to Eric's got me back into the guitar," says Will.
Eric’s was where you’d find Julian Cope and his fledgling Teardrop Explodes, Pete Wylie of Wah!, Bill Drummond (future Bunnymen manager, and the man behind the KLF), David Balfe (future Food records exec) – all the city's punks, weirdos and dreamers. This interview was first published in Total Guitar, September 1997 (Image credit: Future)Įcho and The Bunnymen were born out of Liverpool's post-punk scene and a basement club called Eric's.
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